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Persona research and validation

Using interviews, conversations, and deal evidence to define and test what a target role cares about.

Run persona research as a working loop: form a view of who you are speaking to, test it in conversations, and revise it when the pattern breaks. Write the document after that work. It should preserve what buyers said, what they were trying to accomplish, and how they decide, so someone else can use it without guessing. The work has two phases: early interviews should open up different possibilities, while later interviews test the pattern you think you see.1 A persona is a research artifact with direct quotes from real buyers.2 The research is the product, and the template holds the work.3

Define the hypothesis

Before booking calls, write down the persona you think you understand and the parts you still need to test. Keep the hypothesis close to the buyer's work, problem, and decision path so your questions can disprove it.

Ask, "What are the top problems for personas?"4 Map the top three problems, the pain points that cause them, and the impacts before discovery.5 That gives each conversation a target without forcing the person to confirm your wording.

Build a persona set when the buying process includes different stakeholders. An average enterprise buying group has five to 11 stakeholders across five business functions.6 For each persona, record demographics, key experiences, personality traits, and pre-call context.7

Stage What you are trying to learn Example question
Frame whether the problem and role belong together What part of your work does this affect?
Explore what caused the problem and how it shows up What changed before this became a concern?
Compare how the person judges possible responses What would you use to compare options?
Validate whether the pattern holds beyond one conversation Where does this description fit your experience, and where does it miss?

Recruit the right conversations

Choose conversations that can challenge the hypothesis. Include people who have experienced the problem and people who have evaluated or bought a response to it.

Persona research should include conversations with both prospects and customers.8 Interview an internal representative of the buyer persona about how they would make a purchase.9 Past deal evidence adds another angle: reverse engineer buying signals from prospects who took meetings, had painful discovery calls, or bought the product, then look for similar people.10

Use six interviews as the floor and twelve as the usual stopping point. About 80 percent of themes emerge in the first six interviews, with saturation reached by twelve.11 Stop recruiting when later conversations test the same pattern and produce no meaningful change to the profile.

Run the interview

Use questions that make the person describe an event, decision, or tradeoff. When they give you a label, ask what happened and what changed around it.

Ask, "When did you realize the problem was real?" That question will almost always produce a painful story.12 Stay with the story before moving to your solution. Ask, "What do they care about?" when you need to understand the buyer's priorities.13 You can also ask, "Tell me what's important to you".14

For a finance decision-maker, gather whatever insight you can into that person's personality.15 Listen for the words they use to describe the problem, the result they want, the people involved in the decision, and the reason action feels timely. Those details give you material to test in the next conversation.

Turn notes into a profile

Write the profile from what people said and did. Separate observations from guesses, then turn repeated patterns into guidance another rep can use.

Give the profile room to cover the trigger event, job to be done, evaluation criteria, and objections. Those fields drive decisions more than age, income, or favorite brands.16 Add the persona's current processes, challenges, and desires so you can explain why this person belongs in the target audience.17

Keep the language close to the interview. A short quote that captures how the person describes the problem is more useful in a call than a polished description that no buyer would use. Record what the person is trying to accomplish, what blocks progress, and how a decision gets made. Leave a clear gap where you have a guess that still needs testing.

Validate it in live deals

Validation starts when the profile meets real buying work. Bring it into calls and deal reviews, and look for details that contradict the profile.

Validate the stakeholder hypothesis as the deal develops.18 Learn what each person in the buying group knows and has experienced, because that can help move the deal forward.19 If you plan to add someone to the buying process, use your champion to understand that person's concerns first.20

Test your point of view with other executives to learn the objections they may raise.21 Compare those objections with the profile. If the same concern appears across conversations, add it to the persona. If the person who should care does not recognize the problem, change the hypothesis before changing the message.

Hold positioning until you have uncovered real pain and buying dynamics.22 Use a persona in outbound when it helps you predict what the person will ask, resist, and need to see next.

Keep it current

Treat the persona as a working record with a review trigger. Review the profile when the market or the buying process gives you a reason to question it.

Update the persona when roles, objections, channels, or buying processes change.23 A persona that has gone unchallenged for 18 months is old and needs testing.24 Use new conversations and deal outcomes to replace stale assumptions, while keeping the direct language that still matches what people say.

What not to do

These mistakes can make a persona look complete while leaving a rep with little to use.

  • Do not let the persona become a decorative workshop document that gets filed and never reopened.25
  • Do not rely only on interviews for problem and persona validation, because interviews can limit perspective and require mastery to conduct well.26
  • Do not position the product or solution before uncovering real pain and buying dynamics.22
  • Do not treat an acted persona role-play as equivalent to inviting someone in the organization who matches the target persona.27

Tool for this

Reaching the people who decide

For the contact side I would point to Intedat. It lists the people at each company it selects with position, department and level, purchasing, directors, statutory bodies and the C-level included, and a workflow can name the department it wants reached first. You still pick the person yourself, and an address it guessed from the company's email pattern carries a badge saying so, which is how I want to be told.

Open Intedat

Sources

  1. 1
    “In the beginning, you’re very open, exploratory, lots of different ideas and options. In the end, it was really mostly validating what you’re seeing.”
  2. 2
    “A persona is a research artifact, not a character sketch. If it contains no direct quotes from real buyers, it’s fiction with a stock photo attached.”
  3. 3
    “A customer persona template is a structured document that captures what a specific type of buyer is trying to accomplish, what’s blocking them, and how they decide — based on research rather than assumption. The template is the container; the research is the product.”
  4. 4
    “find out what are the top problems for personas.”
  5. 5
    “But the key to all of this, the key is you should have all of this mapped out ahead of time. You should know the top three problems for your personas, the top three pain points that cause those problems, and the top three impacts because then you sound like an expert, right?”
  6. 6
    “B2B needs a persona set, not a persona. Gartner puts the average enterprise buying group at five to 11 stakeholders across five business functions.”
  7. 7
    “Background: Demographics, key experiences, personality traits, and pre-call context.”
  8. 8
    “it’s time to go out and start speaking to people, and that includes both prospects and customers.”
  9. 9
    “You should go interview them and ask them how they might make a purchase with what you”
  10. 10
    “The easiest way to do this is to reverse engineer it from past prospects who've taken meetings, had the most painful discovery calls, or eventually bought your product... and try to find more people that look like them.”
  11. 11
    “Six interviews is the floor, twelve is the ceiling. Peer-reviewed research on qualitative saturation found 80% of themes emerge in the first six interviews, with saturation reached by twelve.”
  12. 12
    “And you'll almost always get a painful story in return.”
  13. 13
    “What do they care about?”
    Hall of Fame: Chris Orlob

    30 Minutes to President's ClubBack to the text

  14. 14
    “we would get them on just like this and say, tell me what's important to you.”
  15. 15
    “So getting whatever insights I can into their personality.”
  16. 16
    “Nine fields do the work. Trigger event, job to be done, evaluation criteria, and objections drive decisions — age, income, and favorite brands almost never do.”
  17. 17
    “Beyond that, we need to truly understand WHY they are the best people to reach out to. By knowing their current processes, challenges, and desires.”
  18. 18
    “validate the stakeholder hypothesis”
  19. 19
    “what experience they have, and help this deal move along.”
  20. 20
    “asking questions first? And you have to use your champion to understand the brain of the”
    Hall of Fame: Cory Bray

    30 Minutes to President's ClubBack to the text

  21. 21
    “you'll also learn a lot about potential objections that they might give you”
  22. 22
    “Failing to uncover real pain or buying dynamics before then positioning their product/solution”
  23. 23
    “Roles, objections, channels, or buying processes change”
  24. 24
    “Retire personas on a schedule. A persona nobody has questioned in 18 months isn’t validated — it’s just old.”
  25. 25
    “Most customer persona templates are decorative. They get filled in during a workshop, exported to a PDF, and never opened again — while the campaigns they were meant to guide go out targeting “marketing managers, 30-45.””
  26. 26
    “Do not solely depend on inter- views for problem and persona validation as this technique can limit perspective and takes some mastery to do well.”
  27. 27
    “It is one thing to act out a persona during a role-play. It’s an entirely different thing to seek out the exact persona within your organization and invite them to participate.”